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Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: Tomaaz on September 05, 2018, 05:52:04 PM

Title: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 05, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
I've just started to use Vivaldi and, so far, it looks great. I also have Firefox installed.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Ed Davis on September 06, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
I've just started to use Vivaldi and, so far, it looks great. I also have Firefox installed.

Same here.  I've been a long time Firefox user (tried Chrome for a while too), but I tried Vivaldi a while back, and now I very rarely use Firefox or Chrome.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: B+ on September 06, 2018, 04:33:09 PM
FireFox better than Edge but not idiot proof enough for me, lost all my data thanks to it updating something.  >:(  :-[  :P

But can Vivaldi save me from this:
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 06, 2018, 05:08:00 PM
But can Vivaldi save me from this:

No. But disabling adblock or paying can.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 06, 2018, 10:05:03 PM
That's usually a very good reason to leave the site and never return. Even Google's ads (which are generally regarded as being the safest on the web) occasionally serve up drive-by malware. If the site is worth me paying to access, I will but the number of those is very, very small.

Or you could just get creative with something like uBlock origin and block the adblock nag screen, which although complicated can be done.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 06, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
That's my point. Of course, I use ad-block, because searching Internet and discovering new sites without it is a nightmare. However, I'm happy to disable ad-block on sites I visit regularly. If Cybermonkey decided to put here a static banner to earn some money for hosting, I wouldn't have problem with disabling ad-block on this site. If 3/4 of the screen was used for ads in form of video clips, popups etc., I would simply stop visiting this forum. You can not expect to get everything for free and without ads.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 07, 2018, 11:09:42 AM
Oh, absolutely. But to make it crystal clear - I will only, only pay a site's owner for the content. If I'm paying to remove ads, then it's a no-sale and never return.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 07, 2018, 01:30:35 PM
The problem is that some people are never happy. They don't want to pay for anything, they don't want to see ads. There was this crowdfunded magazine called "Linux Voice". No ads in it, but some people still kept moaning about the price which was about... £5. It's gone, now. There is also beginner-friendly DAW called MuLab. Full version costs €69 Eur, but for nothing you can have version limited to four channels only. It comes with no ads, no dodgy stuff (toolbars, spyware, shareware itp.) included in the installation file, but when I once recommended it, I was told that I shouldn't be doing it, because the author is extremely greedy ("How dare he limit the free version to four channels only!?").
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Cybermonkey on September 07, 2018, 03:55:26 PM
Hey, seems I have to start a crowdfunding campaign like: Ad free retro game coding and BASIC forum. "Pay what you want".
No, just kidding, of course ...  ;D
Actually you get this forum for free, the only thing I ask is to take part of the community now and then. (There are still some memmbers who never wrote a line nor visited the forum even twice - they will be deleted soon).
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 07, 2018, 05:45:12 PM
Professionally, I write DAW software for a living. We provide lifetime free updates - you pay once and never pay again, and we add seriously useful and cool new stuff for every update. Our DAW can be used for free, but you can't re-load anything you've saved.

We're also pretty cheap for a major DAW too, but the amount of bitching we get when we change our protection systems is phenomenal - people asking why their cracks or reg keys no longer work... it's hilarious. We tell them to buy it... but no, they won't. And then when we take down their social media presence for broadcasting the use of our software (and monetising it no less) we get all sorts of reprisals.

Thing is, when I was a kid I had zero income so pirated the crap out of everything. But that all changed once I got a job. We do understand what it's like to want something but not have the means to pay for it, but people need to understand this stuff doesn't grow on trees.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 08, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
Professionally, I write DAW software for a living.

What's the name of it?
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 09, 2018, 12:46:46 AM
Professionally, I write DAW software for a living.

What's the name of it?

FL Studio.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 09, 2018, 08:39:47 AM
FL Studio.

Wow! For those who don't know - it's one of the most populas and best DAWs.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Mike Lobanovsky on September 09, 2018, 12:37:48 PM
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Kudos Dunny,

And while we're at it, could you possibly suggest some MS Windows based DAW that would emulate more or less veritably the Hammond B3 organ, as a built-in feature or plugin, that I can run on a desktop PC? I'm currently using Apple's Garage Band (that's the only fair application I could find for my MacBook) but I'm somewhat irritated by having to use an alien OS and app in my otherwise PC-based audio tool chain. Another bottleneck is a relatively limited set of Hammond features that Garage Band's Hammond plugin offers.

Needless to say the lower the price of the DAW/plugin bundle and the richer the feature set, the better.

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Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 09, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
Mike, have a look at  this site (https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/hammond-b3).

EDIT This one (http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=ORGANized_Trio&id=283) is free.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Mike Lobanovsky on September 09, 2018, 05:26:33 PM
Thank you Tomaaz,

I will definitely look into the entire list you pointed me to, and I'll start with that free VST plugin though it does seem to be 32-bit only and a little problematic in terms of latency.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 10, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Mike, I just realised that MuLab (http://www.mutools.com/mulab-downloads.html) (the DAW I mentioned before) comes with several B3 sounds.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 10, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
Chopin (Etude Op. 10 No. 1 in C) on Hammond organ attached.  :)
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Mike Lobanovsky on September 11, 2018, 04:49:35 PM
That's not exactly the Hammond sound that I need (I'm more into the John Lord of Deep Purple hard rock style of doing things) but thanks anyway Tomaaz, it was fun to listen to! :)

MuLab looks like a good choice. I don't need full DAW functionality; 4 free tracks and 2 IO channels are just fine for me. Its built-in Hammond presets sound too weak but I've found a couple of paid Hammond VST plugins that I can afford and that are working well in MuLab's 64-bit environment. Overall, that's probably what I'll stick to for the time being.

Thanks again for helping me out with all this. Looks like I should've addressed my original question to you rather than Dunny. You da man! :D
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 11, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
I don't really do anything musical, and I certainly don't make any. I just code the tools for others to do it.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 11, 2018, 08:40:23 PM
Thanks again for helping me out with all this. Looks like I should've addressed my original question to you rather than Dunny. You da man! :D

Glad I could help. :)

The great thing about MuLab is that it works very well under Wine. Let's be honest - audio on Linux still sucks. It's getting better but it's nowhere close to the quality of audio stuff for Windows. Thanx to MuLab you can have a beginner-friendly DAW that works under Linux out of the box. You don't know how I wish I had a tool like that back in the 90s, when I was really into making and playing music. Now I neither have time or energy to create something serious with it, but from time to time it's fun to work on some simple ideas.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Richly on September 15, 2018, 06:39:15 AM
I don't know anything about DAWs or music programming, so I'm not sure if this is useful or interesting - but I came across this website when looking.

http://ethanwiner.com/articles.html

It's an eclectic website from a fellow with musical interests and a background in BASIC programming.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Mike Lobanovsky on September 15, 2018, 07:00:30 AM
The guy concentrates on the hardware side of electronic music that seems to be outdated by some 25 or 30 years. Still an interesting read as a historical background to what we have today. :)
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 18, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
I  just install Vivaldi  ???
And looks that work fine on win7 32bit  :D
It looks that work faster than Opera but is not fast as K-meleon which i use all the time.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 18, 2018, 03:05:53 PM
Wow Vivaldi telling me that this site is not secure  :o
something strange is this days http..https what a heck is with all this crap ?
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ZXDunny on September 18, 2018, 06:46:12 PM
This site uses HTTP, which is outdated and very vulnerable to attack - if you're daft enough to use the same password on this site as say, your primary email account or your windows/apple accounts then an attacker could siphon that information out as you log into the site and use it to attack other places you're known on.

HTTPS is more resilient to that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ScriptBasic on September 18, 2018, 08:26:25 PM
I fully agree and why the sites I host are all https. (Let's Encrypt - Free Certs)
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 19, 2018, 04:43:46 AM
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HTTPS is more resilient to that sort of thing.

Yeah ..for which amount of time *
I think that this is just a bull-shit something else like more
control from IT companies...

..the problem is with browsers ...you have one thing bookmarked
then when you tried to open then nothing ..need https  >:(
what a crap with all this mumbo-jumbo  >:( 

So for now VIVALDI work fine and i like it.  :D
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ScriptBasic on September 19, 2018, 04:49:34 AM
The fact that Google is flagging http sites as unsafe is motivation enough for me to upgrade the sites I host. If you care about your search ratings, switch to https.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 19, 2018, 07:19:46 AM
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The fact that Google is flagging http sites as unsafe

That is one of resons why must paid lot of money to EU.
Whenever i can i avoid Google and use Bing or DDGo.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: ScriptBasic on September 19, 2018, 07:34:40 AM
HTTPS is about a secure connection to the site you're visiting. Nothing else. Your need to modernize your thinking Aurel;
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 20, 2018, 07:02:32 PM
https is a just another crap like so many other things
i tried few new browser today to check what is new and how work ?
Vivaldi is good, new SeaMonkey simply sucks as usual
some cr** NetGroove sucks too
Avant ..to my surprise work really well even have older interface
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 20, 2018, 10:46:46 PM
https is a just another crap like so many other things

What???  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Aurel on September 25, 2018, 06:48:40 PM
Yes it is and does not protect you better from hackers attacks than just help Google(*and others) in tracking.
Naive people believe in such a things  ;)

Back to browsers:
Yes Vivaldi is really good (windows version) and everyone should try
then i found BriskBard ... which surprise me ...simple,fast charming  ;D
also very good. 
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 25, 2018, 07:59:13 PM
Yes it is and does not protect you better from hackers attacks than just help Google(*and others) in tracking.
Naive people believe in such a things  ;)

When I read nonsense like this, I feel embarassed that I'm a member here.  Yes Aurel - use online banking or shop with a credit card without https. Good luck.
Title: Re: Browsers
Post by: Tomaaz on September 30, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
Wow! Firefox is still the most popular browser here. Globally it is something like 10% now, which is quite sad. It's still a great browser and we should always remember that it's one of the greatest open-source programs ever (only Linux kernel is more important?), the program that once saved the web.