RetroBASIC
Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: Cybermonkey on March 14, 2013, 09:33:29 PM
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I thought we can have this topic in the new forum, too. Here's my actual dark KDE4 desktop on Kubuntu 12.10
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My Windows desktop is as filthy as the real one :)
EDIT: But I'm one of those who does NOT think that Super Mario Sunshine was a shitty game :)
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Now this is my Haiku-OS desktop on real hardware.
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This is the desktop I prefer on Friday evenings :)
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Hehe, let the fight begin ... ;D
This one I prefer in the living room on the sofa. (Please note the second icon from the left ;))
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Ok, ok, if you prefer iOS... sometimes I use this desktop, too. As you can see, the clock isn't correctly adjusted because the battery was empty. I use my Android more often than the iPod touch.
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I guess, some people may find it depressing. ;)
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Now my actual Windows 7, it's the same hardware where Kubuntu 12.10 runs. (Dual boot) Please be aware that my KDE and Windows 7 screenshots are reduced in size. Originally they are 1920 x 1080.
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JSM! WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR FUCKIN' DESKTOP?!! You know I've seen it, don't be embarrased - we've seen naked women before ;D
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Cybermonk, if you've got an iDevice you should really try Ravensword - great game :)
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Oh, that looks nice. I might have a look at the lite version. Seems there is also an Android version, might try that.
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Moved to Mint 13. :)
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Here is my Haiku alpha 4.1 desktop, running EGSL IDE
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Yeah, i like my fresh new Win8 laptop, running the new naalaa editor (written in naalaa using the iup extension) and a raycasting thing at nasty speed :)
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Here is mine. :)
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So I moved on to Mint 17 (on my main desktop). I do really like that zoncolor multi theme ...
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This is my second desktop PC, it's a small form factor Acer Aspire X1700. It was remaining from my shop so I use it at home now. OS is a Xubuntu 14.04 LTS (32 Bit) using the same zoncolor theme as my Mint installation. Display is only 19" with 1280x1024 pixels resolution.
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I changed my second desktop PC's theme to a more Mac-like.
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My new desktop - I am using now Ubuntu MATE. Behaviour is "Cupertino". And, yes, that are two displays, each 1920 x 1080 pixels. ;D (I scaled down the screenshot ...)
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I'm back to Linux (Peppermint 7) and I'm going for minimalism this time. :)
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My main desktop is still the same Ubuntu Mate but I have now a Xubuntu 32 bit installation on an external USB HDD. A bit more like those OS from Redmond.
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This is my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS:
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/U1204LTS.jpg)
and this is my elementaryOS Luna:
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/EOSLUNA.jpg)
(both downsized brutally by Photobucket).
;D
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hi Mike
what exactly is elementary OS?
I went to their website but could not find basic info, tell me about it, do you run this frequently or just to explore from time to time?
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Hi jbk,
eOS is a lightweight and fast Ubuntu-based Linux distro being actively developed by a bunch of GUI-oriented professionals. It isn't just a repackaged castrated parent but a fresh look at what a contemporary OS should be like if it aims for competing with Windows and Mac OS X on the desktop and laptop markets. A lot of apps have been re-written completely from scratch including the system window manager, browser, and more.
32-bit v0.2 Luna was their first stable publicly available release while their 64-bit v0.3 Freya (formerly called Aurora) was still unusable and full of bugs as was Ubuntu 14 itself back at that time. Now they are enjoying their latest v0.4 called Loki.
You've been probably looking for the info in the wrong place. Please retry here (https://elementary.io/us/), read through the Blog (click top left of the page), and don't be shy to pay them $0 (after all, that's what Linux is all about, ain't it? ;) ) to get your download and explore the OS yourself.
I am not an active Linux user but rather a born Windozer and I just couldn't miss the opportunity to fulfill my sacred duty of pulling a Linuxoid leg when I saw one or two in this topic. :D
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Mike,
I'm all for building a better, easier to use and open Windows (like) environment.
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Mike,
I'm all for building a better, easier to use and open Windows (like) environment.
But there is one! (https://www.reactos.org/ru) :D
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/ReacOS-OpenGL.png) (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/FbslGeek/media/ReacOS-OpenGL.png.html)
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what exactly is elementary OS?
A couple of years ago there was a lot of talking about elementary OS as a really good looking and well designed (GUI) distro. Unfortunetely, its developers did a really strange and well... stupid thing. On their blog they called all people who downloaded the system without making a donations cheaters. The system is based on Ubuntu and, IMO, there are betters alternatives. My favourite is Peppermint OS (https://peppermintos.com/). It's an easy to use, friendly and light distro based on Ubuntu LTS. Its desktop environment is a mixture of LXDE, Xfce and, I think, Mate. It's really nice distro. And don't listen to this bulshit that Peppermint OS is something similar to Chrome OS. No, it's a fully featured Linux distro plus some web-oriented features.
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But there is one! (https://www.reactos.org/ru) :D
Yes, but there are several problems with ReactOS:
1. It's been in development for eighteen years and it's still on alpha stage.
2. The distance between Windows an ReactOS is huge and it's getting bigger, instead of getting smaller. It looks like Win98 what was fine eighteen years ago, but now? Also, I wouldn't count on compatibility with modern Windows applications. The ones from 98/XP era may work, but it's a bit to late for that.
3. Wine provides better compatibility at the moment.
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1. It's been in development for eighteen years and it's still on alpha stage.
Money would've done the trick quickly but Russians are miserly in everything that's not related directly to their bellies.
2. The distance between Windows an ReactOS is huge and it's getting bigger ...
Nope. In fact the distance between Windows XP and ReactOS is getting smaller and smaller with every passing day. Currently ReactOS is aiming for full compatibility with Windows Server 2003 but it has the means to disguise itself as any pre-Vista Windows build that a program may expect.
It looks like Win98 what was fine eighteen years ago, but now?
Nope again. It's a matter of taste. I'm spending 50% of my coding time in Windows Classic under every Windows OS build I have. But if you want some system-wide skinning, ReactOS has been ready to offer you some for a few years alredy (the images I'm posting date back to 2013/14):
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/ReactOS-Lautus.png) (http://s1240.photobucket.com/user/FbslGeek/media/ReactOS-Lautus.png.html)
Also, I wouldn't count on compatibility with modern Windows applications.
What do you mean, modern? There's so much available under 32-bit Windows that one can hardly explore a tiny fraction of the whole lot before one finds exactly what one's looking for! :D
The ones from 98/XP era may work ...
Nope again. XP will work but 98 very likely won't. ReactOS has a WinNT kernel -- the best the mankind has been able to develop so far.
... but it's a bit to late for that.
Nope all the time. Tip of the day: did you know that MS is still automatically upgrading their XP customers? All ATM machines in my country are using Windows XP as their OS and I'm not hearing of any plans for the situation to change any time soon. ;)
3. Wine provides better compatibility at the moment.
Nope all the way. Wine derives much from ReactOS and vice versa. The cooperation is very, very close. But Wine is nothing but a VM (whatever they may claim) always having ready-made solutions from its underlying Linux layer while ReactOS works with bare metal. The complexity of the tasks is simply incongruous.
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Money would've done the trick quickly but Russians are miserly in everything that's not related directly to their bellies.'t mak
Possibly, but it doesn't change the situation - things are as they are.
Nope. In fact the distance between Windows XP and ReactOS is getting smaller and smaller with every passing day.
Win XP, you say? That's great, but I was talking about Windows in general and that only proves my point. When ReactOS project started Win XP hadn't been even released. Today it's a pretty old system that is slowly disappearing. And they're still trying to get there.
Nope again. It's a matter of taste. I'm spending 50% of my coding time in Windows Classic under every Windows OS build I have. But if you want some system-wide skinning, ReactOS has been ready to offer you some for a few years alredy (the images I'm posting date back to 2013/14):
I'm not gonna argue about it. It's a matter of taste. ;)
What do you mean, modern?
Really? The ones that are being created (or even think of) now, for example? That includes the new versions of existing programs.
Nope again. XP will work but 98 very likely won't. ReactOS has a WinNT kernel -- the best the mankind has been able to develop so far.
No Win 98!? I loved that system. Much more than XP! ;D (I'm serious)
Nope all the time. Tip of the day: did you know that MS is still automatically upgrading their XP customers? All ATM machines in my country are using Windows XP as their OS and I'm not hearing of any plans for the situation to change any time soon. ;)
And what? Is the XP in these machines going to be replaced by ReactOS? The new ATM machines will come with ReactOS? I can't see your point.
Nope all the way. Wine derives much from ReactOS and vice versa. The cooperation is very, very close. But Wine is nothing but a VM (whatever they may claim) always having ready-made solutions from its underlying Linux layer while ReactOS works with bare metal. The complexity of the tasks is simply incongruous.
This is how things may look in theory, but not so long ago I was listening to the podcast where people did compare ReactOS and Wine. They noticed a progress, as they were finally able to install and run ReactOS, but Wine, in practice, still offered much more compability. And no - I can't give you a link to that podcasts as I listen to tons of podcasts and I do not take any notes about what I heard where. You can simply believe me or assume that I'm lying and call me a liar and a troll. Up tp you. ;)
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... You can simply ... assume that I'm lying and call me a liar and a troll. Up tp you. ;)
Will you cut out that crap, man? You're evidently mistaking me for someone else. So far the hardest word I used in this topic was "nope" -- just because I'm an insider in the matters we're talking about while you're obviously a casual passer-by, a novice in the things you're trying to judge. You're OK with JS and Python -- fine, so be it. I'm OK with ReactOS -- fine, so be it. That's no reason to try and provoke uneasiness for whatever purpose you might have. Relax and take it easy; noone's gonna hurt your feelings -- at least not this time around. :)
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Will you cut out that crap, man? You're evidently mistaking me for someone else.
That wasn't serious, but, in fact, you did call me "a troll" several times (no harm done). ;)
So far the hardest word I used in this topic was "nope" -- just because I'm an insider in the matters we're talking about while you're obviously a casual passer-by, a novice in the things you're trying to judge.
OK. I admit that I'm not an expert here and your knowledge is much bigger, but I don't think that my opinion is totally worthless. It's based on two things: 1) The fact that ReactOS has been developed for 18 years, but its goal is still a compatibility with WinXP (the world has moved on, that's a fact). 2) I believe those people who tested it and decided that Wine is still a better option. Let's be realistic - do you really believe that in a couple of years there will be a significant number of computer users still interested in WinXP compatibility? This is obviously a very ambitious and interesting project (I agree with that), but I can't believe it will ever gain any popularity and/or will be a real alternative for Windows.
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What do you mean, modern?
I've just read that, from version 53, Firefox will not be supporting WinXP and Vista anymore. As far I remember it is the last mainstream browser that still supports these ancient systems. How many more programs will drop support for XP before ReactOS finally becomes compatible with it? That's exactly what I mean by "modern".
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Those are indeed some quite unusual attitudes to be read on a Retro programming forum. :D
Do you know what it feels like to be seeing this: :)
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/MandelZoom%201.png)
[UPD]
... or this: :D
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/ReactOSv0.4.2.png)
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Those are indeed some quite unusual attitudes to be read on a Retro programming forum. :D
Do you know what it feels like to be seeing this: :)
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Oh no, not another Mandelbrot?!
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Those are indeed some quite unusual attitudes to be read on a Retro programming forum. :D
This is not a retro programming forum. This is a forum about programming retro games (or at least it was at the beginning). Retro games can be coded with a modern technology and run on a modern hardware (mobile phones are a perfect example, here). If this was a retro programming forum we all would be using Qbasic under Dosbox, Turbo Pascal and SpecBAS (no offense, Paul ;)). ;D
Oh no, not another Mandelbrot?!
I concur! :) Mandelbrot programs should be temporarily banned from the forum, together with all these 20 lines long sinus/cosinus graphics examples. And I do apologize for bringing this topic back. ;) *
* I'm serious.
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@Tomaaz: Personally I enjoy and learn from your examples in languages I don't normally use. I'm thrilled with your interest in JavaScript as I to have a JavaScript OOP interest in a V7 integration with Script BASIC.
JavaScript methods are object properties with a function reference attached.
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Oh no, not another Mandelbrot?!
My screenshots are not about Mandelbrot. They are about my homely retro desktops if you didn't notice, Mark, and it was by sheer accident that they happened to be flooded with Tomaaz' JS code the moment I took them. ;D
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from version 53, Firefox will not be supporting WinXP and Vista anymore.
See the bright side: Version 52 will support XP, then wait a year or two and you can be sure that no virus writer bothers any more with such an old system. Finally a safe browser!
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See the bright side: Version 52 will support XP, then wait a year or two and you can be sure that no virus writer bothers any more with such an old system. Finally a safe browser!
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Why wait? Already, you can use outdated version of Chrome or IE. ;)
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This topic is about desktops not mandelbrot! ;)
Here is another one, hardly to beat in the retro aspect I guess ... coding with Visual BASIC 3.0
(Yes it's Windows 3.11 for Workgroups running in a Dosbox [on Linux])
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Yes it's Windows 3.11 for Workgroups running in a Dosbox...
Here is mine, then:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/C64_startup_animiert.gif/260px-C64_startup_animiert.gif)
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... coding with Visual BASIC 3.0
(Yes it's Windows 3.11 for Workgroups running in a Dosbox [on Linux])
COOL!!! :D
Here is another one, hardly to beat in the retro aspect I guess ...
Why not? What about this one:
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/AlleyCat_8086.png)
or rather this: :D
(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg490/FbslGeek/MikesHouse_Mac.png)
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OK. Here we go:
(https://www.c64-wiki.com/images/5/5a/Einschaltmeldung_VC20.gif)
Hey guys... Wasn't this topic supposed to be about the desktops we are actually using for everyday work, today? ???
EDIT This is more boring than another Mandelbrot example and almost as boring as new 20 lines long sin/cos programs. ;)
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EDIT This is more boring than another Mandelbrot example ...
Why bother posting then? On a Retrogamecoding board? ;D
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EDIT This is more boring than another Mandelbrot example ...
Why bother posting then? On a Retrogamecoding board? ;D
I already apologized for bringing Mandelbrot back. For these screenshots someone else should do. ;D
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I already apologized for bringing Mandelbrot back. For these screenshots someone else should do. ;D
My screenshots are not about Mandelbrot. They are about my homely retro desktops ... and it was by sheer accident that they happened to be flooded with Tomaaz' JS code the moment I took them. ;D
(http://www.fbsl.net/phpbb2/images/smilies/icon_ml_contract.gif)
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Okay, back to topic: my Windows 10 Pro desktop. As you already might have noticed: I do like this background wallpaper. ;)
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I'm glad to finally meet you.
OT How is your My-BASIC derivative coming along?
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Gosh! Is that a mustache or a beard?! :D
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Gosh! Is that a mustache or a beard?! :D
It' s a beard. 8)
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I'm glad to finally meet you.
OT How is your My-BASIC derivative coming along?
The project is on halt at the moment although AllegroBASIC is fully usable. I want to use a more modern library in the future whether Allegro5 or SDL2 isn't that clear for now.
But first I want to finish the Booty retro remake. Still having trouble implementing those d***ed platforms ...
Uh, I tried the latest Haiku build natively. It boots now and all hrdware works, except my USB wifi adaptors... (yeah that mandelbrot app is installed by default ;))
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... (yeah that mandelbrot app is installed by default ;))
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wcmyOifto_4/VYFrjqtWNlI/AAAAAAAABvM/k9Qyb7GfZmk/s1600/clipart-thumbs-up-happy-smiley-emoticon-256x256-8595.png)
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My new desktop. It's not a tablet nor a phone but my good old desktop PC running Android x86 (6.0.1). Everything works fine including sound, wifi, 3D acceleration and a lot of apps. ;)
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My new desktop. It's not a tablet nor a phone but my good old desktop PC running Android x86 (6.0.1). Everything works fine including sound, wifi, 3D acceleration and a lot of apps. ;)
How is your experience with using mouse with it?
After what's just happened to my laptop (http://retrogamecoding.org/board/index.php?topic=518.msg3966#newl), I'm using Linux in Virtualbox only. It's another minimalistic desktop (LXDE). The interesting thing about it is that with only 768 MB it runs faster and smoother than the Windows 10 Virtualbox is being run on. :)
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My new desktop. It's not a tablet nor a phone but my good old desktop PC running Android x86 (6.0.1). Everything works fine including sound, wifi, 3D acceleration and a lot of apps. ;)
How is your experience with using mouse with it?
It is a bit funny, I have to admit but most things work. I use Android x86 predominantly for gaming with a game controller. I bought one which can be used with Windows (Xinput or DirectInput) and Android. (And even PS3 - but I haven't got one.)
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Windows 10 Pro Anniversary Edition with its DWM's Aero+Blur+Glass and Aero Lite (~Win 7 Basic theming) restored. No DLL patch hacks, no unsigned .msstyles, no hands... :)
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Is this your own concoction or is there a procedure somewhere we can use to return the same results?
I'm assuming if one creates a GUI based program with these modifications in place on the dev box, the deliverables would run vanilla on the recipients Win10 box?
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Hehe John,
In fact, I abused that screenie to show off two interrelated things at once.
First off, it displays native Win 10 windows that have regained, system-wide, their beautiful Aero decorations that replace natively, i.e. without any unauthorized patching or hacking of the Windows system DLLs, the ugly and unicolored and disproportionate and dull Metro hell characteristic of stock Windows 10 as well as of some other poor man's alternatives.
This can be done using this non-intrusive software (http://www.glass8.eu/). Until Win 10 Anniversary Edition (version 1607, build 14393), it just used Win 8+'s undocumented registry keys to regain former Aero functionality but now it also installs a driver that supervises the DWM's behavior to force it to use Aero compositing where it otherwise wouldn't, keys or no keys.
Without additional efforts, Aero Glass will enable transparent, optionally blurry compositing but the look of window decorations will remain awkwardly rectangular and sometimes out of sync with the system's color Accent settings. Search their forum (http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/180-aero-glass-for-windows-8/) for simple additional SW to control the Aero settings more closely and bring them in sync with the system settings, including Accent. You can also find there additional system texture atlases (no .msstyles patching again!) to bring back rounded window corners and neater window buttons, like you see in my screenie, and even Vista-style aero glass reflection on your primary monitor.
Aero Glass is free but it's donationware. For a symbolic donation of 3 euros or more you'll get a key (or more) to remove the nag message box and the watermark string at the bottom right corner of your desktop. Alternatively you can use any Win32 SDK-aware BASIC or even AutoIt to create a relatively simple script that would wait till such a nag message box is about to pop up and would then kill it before it makes itself visible. It appears only once when the first Aero window is opened on your desktop, and your script may safely quit once the nag box is killed. In the meantime it can also walk the Aero Glass process memory to find and chomp its desktop watermark string at its very beginning. Guess which strategy I followed? ;)
And lastly, the screenie also shows off FBSL's own skinning engine that optionally enables us to ensure consistent look and feel of FBSL software, both official and user designed, throughout the supported range of Windows OSes, which is practically under any of them, should we so wish.
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Okay, I just installed Icaros Desktop 2.2; this is how it looks like.
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BunsenLabs Linux - a perfect (for me, of course ;)) distro based on Debian.
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Well according to this :
System requirements
BunsenLabs is a Debian Stretch desktop with custom configurations and some additions. Hence, the hardware recommendations from the Debian project apply for both 32bit and 64bit systems:
RAM (minimum) RAM (recommended) Hard Drive (recommended)
256M 1G 10G
Depending on the applications and feature set you decide to use (especially if you do not run a graphical desktop), the system may run fine with less resources. An installation from the live ISOs uses approximately 2.1G of space on the hard drive.
not look bad at all
i must say that dont like debin based cr*p ( i tried long time ado Lubuntu-not bad)
but this one really look nice :)
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It's great, because it's minimalist. No desktop icons. To fully customise the panel or main menu you need to edit a configuration files. To update the system, you need to learn basic terminal stuff. But after you've spent 1 hour on customisation it's so transparent, fast and lightweight that I wouldn't swap it for anything else.
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Raspbian Stretch mit XFCE Desktop
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I guess I broke my Raspbian with configuring XFCE too much. I started new and now I am using the PIXEL desktop with compton for composite effects ...
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LxPup running from USB stick, with persisting storage and full access to all drives, of course. As you can see, the laptop has only 2 GB of RAM (it's 5 years old and was the cheapest option then, so CPU is not great either ;)), but LxPup flies on it.
EDIT If it wasn't for the "always root" thing, LxPup would be my main distro.
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Porteus LXDE
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New working desktop on Pop!_OS
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I newly installed Linux Mint on my main desktop PC because I installed a SSD into it. (Now boots in 14 seconds :D).
On my mini PC I am also using Linux Mint. Because of that and because I am using two monitors this can be quite confusing especially if one is on the left and the other on the right monitor displayed. So I ended up with two different themes using the same background mirrored... But have a look for yourself.
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It would be awesome to have a horizontally tilable background image for the two halves of the virtual desktop to fit seamlessly at the desktop center. :)
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And now my new macOS High Sierra desktop ... didn't know how easy a Hackintosh can be set up with KVM. (Since I use this old FX 8350 CPU newer than High Sierra is not possible - but my new PC will be assembled soon ...)
Added another screen showning neofetch and inxi.