RetroBASIC
Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: B+ on August 20, 2018, 04:37:26 PM
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I am wondering if it is possible to do an Internet search NOT based on popularity AND where redundant links are NOT added to a list burying still further the obscure item(s) you are looking for eg BASIC forum sites that are NOT MS Small Basic's or MS VB.
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Is that BASIC site still online that reviewed BASIC languages that were still active? I can't remember the URL but I think the guy hosting it was named Henry.
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This one?
http://basic.mindteq.com/index.php
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Basic+programming+-small++-MS+-VB+-visual&num=30&lr=lang_en&safe=active&as_qdr=all&tbs=lr:lang_1en&ei=N1p7W_XbC4GGtQX1jYQ4&start=30&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=628
(https://www.google.com/search?q=Basic+programming+-small++-MS+-VB+-visual&num=30&lr=lang_en&safe=active&as_qdr=all&tbs=lr:lang_1en&ei=N1p7W_XbC4GGtQX1jYQ4&start=30&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=628)
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
(https://www.google.com/advanced_search)
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That's better! Thanks Richey and Rick.
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This one?
http://basic.mindteq.com/index.php
Yes!
Thanks for the link.
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And here is my list with freakin comments ;D
Unfortunately many of them are dead or abandoned
LIST of BASICS from mindteq...note that
labnguages under leter A not exists ????
-)including my own crappy basic(-
BACON - alive,linux only but nice!
BLOC - ?
BXB - nice experiment
BRUTUS2D - unknown?
COOLBASIC - dead
DLIB - dead
DIALECT - dead
DOYLESOFT - failed experiment
DX CREATOR - dead
EMERGENCE BASIC - new IWB is not popular
ENVELOP - true OLD experiment - today useless
ETHOS BASIC
EUPHORIA - is not BASIC-like and as such never popular for BASIC-ers
EXTREME BASIC - failed experiment
FBA CREATOR - abandoned
FBSL - never popular as it should be
FNX BASIC - still just nice experiment
FORCE BASIC - failed experiment
FREE BASIC -
GAMBAS - linux only
GAMES BASIC - dead
GFA BASIC - nice but never popular to much
GL BASIC - is alive - but look into forum
GNU LIBERTY - experiment
GUI4CLI - dead
HBASIC - linux only- status unknown
HOLLYWOOD - alive
HOT BASIC - alive - forum dead?
HSP - i don't like hot soup but haiii-is alive
HTBASIC - dead
IBASIC - dead
JABACO - java?
JUST BASIC - alive and popular inside LGBTK population!
KBASIC - basic for QT -alive
KOOL BASIC - experiment
LEMICK - dead
LIBERTY BASIC - same as JUST BASIC but for larger kids
LITHIUM - dead
MARATHI - dead
MEDIA BASIC - dead
MINIBASIC - dead
NAALAA - alive
NSBASIC - alive not basic
O'BASIC -dead
OMNI BASIC - dead
OXYGEN BASIC - alive
PALADIUM - dead
PANORAMIC - alive
PHOENIX - unkwown?
PHROGRAM - dead
PLAY BASIC - alive
PROVIDEX - ?
PURE BASIC - alive
QB64 - alive, but development stoped.
QuickerB - alive
QuickForward - dead
RAPID BATCH - abandoned
RAPIDQ - dead
REAL BASIC - alive?
SCRIPT BASIC - alive?
SECCIA - alive?
SHEERPOWER - not used,?
SMALLBASIC - alive?
MS SMALL BASIC - alive
SPEED BASIC - dead
THIN BASIC - alive and thin!
THISTLE - failed experiment
VISIA - failed experiment
VISUAL PULSAR - abandoned
VISUAL WINDOWS -dead experiment
MS VISUAL BASIC - alive
WMBASIC - dead
WXBASIC - dead
XBASIC - alive
XBLITE - alive ?
XPB - dead
XPROFAN - ?
XST BASIC - dead
YABASIC - dead ?
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SCRIPT BASIC - alive?
Peter Verhas is younger than me and wrote the BASIC. I'm just maintenance and a happy user.
Here is one of the commercial users of Script BASIC.
Script BASIC Users Guide (http://info.bannerengineering.com/cs/groups/public/documents/literature/191745.pdf) Keep in mind SB has been modified to support a BACNet environment and new keywords were added to the language for their version. It still is a good reference manual for SB in general.
PROVIDEX - ? - Is owned by Sage but only uses it with their 100 ERP product line. Sage gave it back to the original author (Mike King) to support existing customers outside of Sage. Now called PVXPlus.
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Quite a few 'live' BASICs missing from that list - Specbas, BBC BASIC (various implementations, including Brandy / Brandy forks), Decimal BASIC, True BASIC, BASIC 256, Quite BASIC, Chipmunk BASIC, Boriel ZX BASIC and probably a few others. You could even include traditional BASICs like Sinclair BASIC - still lots of users.
Looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2015.
I see Clipper BASIC isn't there either ;D
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Quite a few 'live' BASICs missing from that list - Specbas, BBC BASIC (various implementations, including Brandy / Brandy forks), Decimal BASIC, True BASIC, BASIC 256, Quite BASIC, Chipmunk BASIC, Boriel ZX BASIC and probably a few others. You could even include traditional BASICs like Sinclair BASIC - still lots of users.
Looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2015.
I see Clipper BASIC isn't there either ;D
I wonder if we could pick up where mindteq left off? It might be a great community effort and generate more interest in this forum. Then again, it could become a self promotion nightmare.
What is Aurel's definition of dead? or alive? and did his list come from mindteq?
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EUPHORIA - is not BASIC-like and as such never popular for BASIC-ers
It is BASIC-like and it's very nice. Good standard library (lack of easy to use internet functions is disappointed, though), translates to C, fantastic GUI toolkit (EuGTK), but, unfortunately, seems to be dead. Last stable version is from 2012, last beta from 2015 and there are no signs of any serious development activity. Phix, which is influenced by Euphoria, is still alive, but it has serious problems with running on rolling release distros.
YABASIC - dead ?
Last version has been released in May... this year. Also, Yabasic is back in Ubuntu repositories. Definitely not dead.
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Quite a few 'live' BASICs missing from that list - Specbas, BBC BASIC (various implementations, including Brandy / Brandy forks), Decimal BASIC, True BASIC, BASIC 256, Quite BASIC, Chipmunk BASIC, Boriel ZX BASIC and probably a few others. You could even include traditional BASICs like Sinclair BASIC - still lots of users.
Looks like the site hasn't been updated since 2015.
I see Clipper BASIC isn't there either ;D
I wonder if we could pick up where mindteq left off? It might be a great community effort and generate more interest in this forum. Then again, it could become a self promotion nightmare.
What is Aurel's definition of dead? or alive? and did his list come from mindteq?
Yes, what did you have in mind?
Btw I think it's possible to register at Mindteq as an editor; that's if Henry is still active...
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EUPHORIA - is not BASIC-like and as such never popular for BASIC-ers
It is BASIC-like and it's very nice. Good standard library (lack of easy to use internet functions is disappointed, though), translates to C, fantastic GUI toolkit (EuGTK), but, unfortunately, seems to be dead. Last stable version is from 2012, last beta from 2015 and there are no signs of any serious development activity. Phix, which is influenced by Euphoria, is still alive, but it has serious problems with running on rolling release distros.
YABASIC - dead ?
Last version has been released in May... this year. Also, Yabasic is back in Ubuntu repositories. Definitely not dead.
Yes, not to be confused with Yabasic 3, which is dead...wonder what happened to Thomas Larsen and his interest in BASIC?
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What did I have in mind?
A List - brief synopsis of features, plus and minus... best written by someone supporting project to put it in best light, also would be proof of aliveness, someone speaking up for it!
A decent definition of alive or dead, ie proof of aliveness by naming active developer and/or support forum, updates.
Links! dead or alive
If dead, then present a death certificate ;-)
What is dead if people still use it or remember it fondly or are inspired by it.
A forum that has a Home page untouched for 3 years (mindteq) is certainly not active but not dead either because it's links to information still useful. How is Henry?
Perhaps instead of saying alive or dead, say date of last activity.
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Schrödinger's cat?
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I wonder if we could pick up where mindteq left off?
I would be willing to add a BASIC Reference board on the AllBASIC forum if I don't have to do all the work.
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What did I have in mind?
A List - brief synopsis of features, plus and minus... best written by someone supporting project to put it in best light, also would be proof of aliveness, someone speaking up for it!
A decent definition of alive or dead, ie proof of aliveness by naming active developer and/or support forum, updates.
Links! dead or alive
If dead, then present a death certificate ;-)
What is dead if people still use it or remember it fondly or are inspired by it.
A forum that has a Home page untouched for 3 years (mindteq) is certainly not active but not dead either because it's links to information still useful. How is Henry?
Perhaps instead of saying alive or dead, say date of last activity.
Sounds good. We have a lot of developers here: D, Mike, John, Peter, Aurel, n00b, Cybermonkey and perhaps others. As you say, they (or their keen supporters) are best placed to write their own entries if they feel so inclined and wish to participate; or they may wish to edit other people's entries.
It may encourage other developers and their users to join the forum and will be a bit of fun.
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A decent definition of alive or dead, ie proof of aliveness by naming active developer and/or support forum, updates.
Links! dead or alive
If dead, then present a death certificate ;-)
What is dead if people still use it or remember it fondly or are inspired by it.
For me "dead/alive" has nothing to do with users. It's all about development. Language is dead if I know there will be no new features, bug fixes and optimization for new hardware or new operating systems. And the fact that the project is open source and there is a possibility that someone else may take over in the future doesn't change anything. When it happens then the language becomes alive again, but before it happens it's dead. Of course, I don't have a problem with people using dead languages. It's their choice and not my problem, but a language which last version was released in 2005 can't be called "alive" only because there is a few folks somewhere who still use it.
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ut a language which last version was released in 2005 can't be called "alive" only because there is a few folks somewhere who still use it.
Which one is that? :o
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Which one is that? :o
Does anyone else need a detailed explanation of that general example? ;)
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Which one is that? :o
Does anyone else need a detailed explanation of that general example? ;)
Sure, we can practice writing a death certificate, make it official and all.
Tomaaz: "It's all about development."
I disagree, if it's all about one thing (which it is not) I would say, "It's all about usage." Sure development may be the most lively / creative part of a language, but if we are talking dead or alive then I say usage is key.
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I disagree, if it's all about one thing (which it is not) I would say, "It's all about usage."
Well, the only area where this is true is retro computing (8 and 16 bit). There are still folks writing for C64 and they don't want or need any improvements or new features, but that's it. In modern computing programming languages should be treated like any other programs or even operating systems. There have been thousands of Linux distros created, but majority of them are now abandoned. It's possible that someone somewhere is using them, but that doesn't make them alive. The same applies to programs. I'm pretty sure that plenty of abandoned programs are still in use, but if the developer, for example, openly admits that the development has stopped and there will be no new features, no optimization and no bug fixes then the program is dead. Not so long ago someone told me that he'd seen computers with Win 95 working in 2018. Does it make Win 95 alive? Come on.
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I wonder if we could pick up where mindteq left off?
I would be willing to add a BASIC Reference board on the AllBASIC forum if I don't have to do all the work.
Hey John,
If you did that, I might have to come over and visit more, maybe even... well we'll see. :)
I hope you make it easier for people to sign up to post than Cybermonkey.
That was part of my plan (just planned now!) for people to come in and represent in Community Announcements, I don't want to do all the work either, look what it has done for poor Henry. ;)
(Henry, if you are alive, come and visit! maybe Cybermonkey will setup a board for you? That would be cool!)
But maybe we can offer the service of pronouncing the dead, because they can't do it for themselves.
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Schrödinger's cat?
;-)) love it!
What was last known date it was seen alive? Wait... is there a link?
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I disagree, if it's all about one thing (which it is not) I would say, "It's all about usage."
Well, the only area where this is true is retro computing (8 and 16 bit). There are still folks writing for C64 and they don't want or need any improvements or new features, but that's it. In modern computing programming languages should be treated like any other programs or even operating systems. There have been thousands of Linux distros created, but majority of them are now abandoned. It's possible that someone somewhere is using them, but that doesn't make them alive. The same applies to programs. I'm pretty sure that plenty of abandoned programs are still in use, but if the developer, for example, openly admits that the development has stopped and there will be no new features, no optimization and no bug fixes then the program is dead. Not so long ago someone told me that he'd seen computers with Win 95 working in 2018. Does it make Win 95 alive? Come on.
Spoken like a computer scientist surfing the cutting edge of the Next New Wave!
So I know this guy who is developing little interpreters one after the other, still doing it, improving all the time. He has 0, nada, following, it is a language because he is communicating with the machine evens gets feedback. So that's alive? Where are we going?
Alive and dead are opinions, last known address, activities, people speaking up are verifiable if not self evident.
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So I know this guy who is developing little interpreters one after the other, still doing it, improving all the time. He has 0, nada, following, it is a language because he is communicating with the machine evens gets feedback. So that's alive? Where are we going?
The one(s) he is developing currently is/are alive. If he's abandoned some of them, they are dead. What's your point? Have you ever seen a programming language that had a massive number of users right after first alpha release? They are all start from 0. It is only developer's hard work and determination that keeps the project alive and let it gain some users and become more and more popular. On the other hand, when the developers quit, users start to go. Sure, it's not gonna happen overnight and some hard-core fans may stay as long as possible, but the project is dead. Look what's happened to EGSL. I was interested in using it, Johnno wanted to try it, there was a guy from Haiku community who wanted to keep it alive there. But Markus has decided to stop developing it and none of us is using it. For me it's lack of documentation and fear it may simply stop working on future Linux distros. For Johnno, problems with installation and the fact that it's not in development anymore. For Haiku guys, no support from the developer. Do you really believe that number of users is not related to the development status?
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My point:
Alive and dead are opinions, last known address, activities, people speaking up are verifiable if not self evident.
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I wonder if we could pick up where mindteq left off?
I would be willing to add a BASIC Reference board on the AllBASIC forum if I don't have to do all the work.
Hey John,
If you did that, I might have to come over and visit more, maybe even... well we'll see. :)
I hope you make it easier for people to sign up to post than Cybermonkey.
That was part of my plan (just planned now!) for people to come in and represent in Community Announcements, I don't want to do all the work either, look what it has done for poor Henry. ;)
(Henry, if you are alive, come and visit! maybe Cybermonkey will setup a board for you? That would be cool!)
But maybe we can offer the service of pronouncing the dead, because they can't do it for themselves.
Maybe a Wiki would be a better choice. Let me know your interest level and we can get the ball rolling. I like the idea of those most familiar with the language creating the submission.
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Alive and dead are opinions...
No, they aren't. You just can't see the difference between a language itself, its community and people who use it. If someone wants to use a dead language then I can't see a reason why they shouldn't. Myself, I wouldn't, but it's their choice, not mine. But that language is still dead.
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YaBasic ...alive ?
Yes he can create every month new update but where are users,groups
No ..nothing just BS.
Come on guys the LIST I present is from mindteq..which is also dead place
or better abandoned...some years ago it is a reference site but today mean nothing.
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YaBasic ...alive ?
Yes he can create every month new update but where are users,groups
You don't know it. Yabasic is back in Ubuntu, so everyone searching for BASIC can find it. Assuming that every user must be active on forums/groups etc. is simply wrong. You know if language is/isn't in development. You don't know how many people use it. Why people here tend to mix everything together - languages with editors, languages with communities, users with advocates etc.?
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Open source software never dies. Anyone can enhance, fork or continue promoting the project. All it takes is your time and commitment.
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Open source software never dies. Anyone can enhance, fork or continue promoting the project. All it takes is your time and commitment.
There is one major problem here:
anyone can != somebody will
If anyone can start developing ScriptBasic again then why nobody has? Sorry, but promoting, enhancing, being "project manager" is not the same.
Sure, we can fool ourselves and wait decades for new generations of developers to come (they may even come from another galaxy) and restart all abandoned projects, but what is the chance it will ever happen? 1/999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999?
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If anyone can start developing ScriptBasic again then why nobody has?
Why would anyone want to start over with Script BASIC? It has been an ongoing open source project since 2000. I haven't given up on it and use it in many of the projects I do. There is also a commercial use for the BASIC.
I have had pretty good luck with SB over the years with talented developers contributing to the project beside myself.
AIR
Charles Pegge
Dave Zimmer
Mike Lobanovsky
Others not mentioned but appreciated
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Then I admit being wrong about ScriptBasic. But John, how many abandonned projects have someone like you?
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Hey have you all seen this?
Snatches from BP.org can be found, here is one:
http://web.archive.org/web/20151109204354/http://forum.basicprogramming.org:80/index.php
Sometimes you can follow a thread:
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There's a graphic I want from the old forum, because my copy got accidentally deleted. I think it may have been posted by Aurel or PeterK - a pumpkin head. The program it accompanied was called "being" but I cannot find it anywhere :(
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Then I admit being wrong about ScriptBasic. But John, how many abandonned projects have someone like you?
Open source projects are like a religious faith. As long is there are believers, heaven exists. I'm sort of like an angel looking after things.
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There's a graphic I want from the old forum, because my copy got accidentally deleted. I think it may have been posted by Aurel or PeterK - a pumpkin head.
Was it aurel or aurelB? You may not remember but Aurel used to have two accounts on that forum. aurelB was a hard-core Windows/BASIC fanboy and devoted Linux/Python hater, while aurel was more Linux friendly and even considered coding in Python. Or was it the other way around? ;D
Pumpkin head... I think I remember it, but there is no way I may have it somwhere. :(
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If you don't believe me, just look at the screenshot. ;D
BTW I love the screenshot posted by B+. First topic is "Your language sucks, because..." started by... Tomaaz (of course! ;D).
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who can remember all crap I/we posted there
bp.org was trash-hole forum for specific sort of super-geaks ;D
yes i know for pumpkin head program ..i think it was written in JB then i conv to AB.
or similar...frrrrrr
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Trash-hole forum for specific sort of super-geeks who want to post crap is http://basicpro.spacefor.site/smf/. You don't even need to register to post your crap.
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Wow...wow...wow
Easy dude...why you are so nasty?
It is just a joke and yes anyone can post there anything ..including you ;D
Sooo post your crap there ...he..hee...hiii :D :D :D :D
And please don't act like some sort of moral vertical here ..ok?
not ..?..yes ohh sorry ... :-X :-X :-X :-X
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Wow...wow...wow
Easy dude...why you are so nasty?
Considering the fact that I used your own words, calling me "nasty" is not the brightest idea...
Sooo post your crap there ...he..hee...hiii :D :D :D :D
I'm not interested in posting crap, especially on a trash-hole forum for specific sort of super-geeks who want to post crap.
And please don't act like some sort of moral vertical here ..ok?
Again - I just copied your own words.
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tomek
i understand your wish to promote yourself as very smart man
so continue... i don't care
or maybe you may surprise us with some new copy/paste tricks ;)
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ok back zo offtopic
what you people say about this:
https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/a543e6ca-ea70-4975-a881-b0a0440305ec/small-basic-graphic-and-animations-and-more-10?forum=smallbasic
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Well, it looks like things are back to normal with Tomaaz and Aurel 'playing' in the yard.
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Well, it looks like things are back to normal with Tomaaz and Aurel 'playing' in the yard.
Do you agree that basicprogramming forum was "trash-forum for super geaks who posted there only crap"? I don't. Are you one of "super geaks who posted there only crap". I'm not. Of course, there is another possibility - you've accepted that the only way of dealing with Aurel is to ignore him. I haven't ;)