RetroBASIC
Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: Aurel on December 28, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
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tinylinuxstuckintomaazass,,
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Wrong forum. Try Phoronix (https://www.phoronix.com/forums/).
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crap...
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That's because Phoronix (https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home) is a news site and, instead of using comment system, it uses forum (of course, any user can start a topic there). It is also the best benchmarking site focused on Linux. Michael Larabel, who runs the site, is widely known and respected in Linux world. You can trust them. ;)
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Aurel, do you use Telegram messenger? There are several Linux oriented Telegram groups. I can post some links, if you want.
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Alpine Linux (https://www.alpinelinux.org/downloads/)?
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I don't get what is that you want. You complain that 38 MB is to much, but then you're fine with... 370? If you need a small, fast, lightweight distro then go for Puppy that is 100 MB. I've been using it for ages. I know - there is this "always root" problem, but you're not going to use it as your main system, right?
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I was talking about tinyCore which ISO is cca 15MB and when you add for example Midori browser
in ISO then jump over 30MB.
do you get it now?
Nope. You add something and the size increase. Shocking. Or do you expect a web browser to be 1 MB?
what is a difference between i486 and i586 version ?
can you answer on that ?
They are suitable for different architectures? https://vichhaiy.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/what-is-the-difference-between-i386-i486-i586-i686-i786
or i must ask on Porteus forum when i ask few times and never get proper answer. ::)
Wasn't that what you did on the first place?
Again the same problem. You take an obscure distro that is designed for specific use and then moan that Linux is crap. Just download something mainstream that has good documentation and community and you won't have to ask questions here.
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In SliTaz cca 30MB iso is Firefox which work like a charm
Yes, and without Firefox SliTaz would be 15 MB.
well user must know how to use GParted or similar tool to prepere HDD for linux partition
and also must know how much to use for swap...etc..etc...
When was the last time you tried to install Linux. 1999? In 2019 every installer in any mainstream distro can take care of it.
i don't have time to babling with you about things you clearly don't know
For a moment I really believed you wanted to discuss Linux here. But no - it's just usual Aurel stuff. Moan about Linux, call Tomaaz a moron... It's neither funny or interesting anymore.
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Despite of level of Aurel's "arguments", I decided to have a look at Porteus. ;) IMO, all you need to know is there. i586 is the newest 32bit version, there is also a guide how to install it. Porteus is design to run mainly from portable media. You can choose an option to run it entirely from RAM which, in theory, should be really fast.
Aurel, you really should try to install it on USB stick. The easiest way would be to use Rufus (https://rufus.ie/en_IE.html) to create bootable drive. Of course there is all that UEFI/Secure Boot stuff, but I'm sure you know how to deal with it. So, try it, but if you don't like it then have a look at this beauty (http://lx-pup.weebly.com/). Go for Upup Bionic and enjoy fully featured distro that looks really good (much better than the original Puppy) and, from USB stick, runs faster than anything else.
EDIT If you decide to try LxPup, you can always ask me for help. I can show you how to quickly change the look of it or to install/uninstall applications.
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I just visited FreeBASIC forum and found a very similar topic there. An user with a familiar nickname aurelVZAB delivers a dramatic speech:
...based on Debian...no thanks - never liked Debian and any clone or derivate!
I wonder why he doesn't like it. It's probably because Debian is mature, stable, simply works and serves as a base for the most important and popular distros ever. ;) Oh, I forgot - the iso is more than 30 mb. ;D
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I've tried Porteus 32bit LXDE and must say it's a very nice distro. It may not be as easy to use as Mint or Solus, but, for someone who's got basic knowledge about Linux, it shouldn't take more than one hour to install it and understand how it works. It's another example how usable Linux has become. Aurel, did you finally give it a try? Please, reply, because it looks like I've started to run my blog here. ;D
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Reply why?
To discuss Porteus? You know - the distro you recommended a couple of posts before.
LxPup Lx - crap ...no way ...all pup-s are nothing for me.
LxPup is very nice, but... Porteus is as good or even better, because it doesn't run as root all the time. Thanx for recommending it!
tinyCore is a mainstream linux( or better to say unixoid)
It isn't, but if you like it then just use it. What's the problem?
and fuccckkk kDE version not work in my virtual machine ..
Why do you want to run it in a virtual machine??? I've tried many Linux distros and something like half of them simply didn't work this way. And only one (Sparky) worked in VM as good as it did on a real hardware. Just put Porteus on a pendrive and it will work.
All other ISO-s i have work without problem but this one not ...old story.
bla ..blaa ..blaa
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This just doesn't make any sense. :) All other ISOs worked, but somehow not working Porteus is an old story (which suggest that things rather didn't work in the past).
I'm telling you - Porteus turned out to be a very nice distro. Unfortunately, I've got this felling that, because I like it, it's not an option for you anymore. ;)
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Yes ..i tried Porteus few times before and almost all versions have similar problems
and some of older versions not work from USB too...
This one does. It's a bit more difficult to create a persistent storage than in Puppys, but it works. I totally understand that you want KDE. I'm a LXDE guy. It's sad it doesn't have a future (LXQT is not exactly the same thing). :(
I remember trying Porteus in the past, but I didn't like it, because it came only with KDE at the time. For the same reason I didn't really like Slax.
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And? Do you like it?
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Aurel, could you try to install FreeBASIC on Porteus (it's in the repos). Something really strange is going on when I try to use it.
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Sure, you forgot. ;) If you're unable to make Porteus run from USB stick then I seriously doubt you can help me with my problem.
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Sure you babeling...
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OK. I knew you didn't know much about Linux, but it looks like you know absolutely nothing about it. First thing you need to do with Porteus is setting up persistent storage. There is no point to install new apps or configure your system, because all changes will be lost when you log out/ power off. When you have a persisten storage up and running, you can install new apps. The selection that is included in the ISO is minimal to keep the ISO small. You can install/remove apps from command line or you can use GUI for it (USM package manager? something like that - I'm at work so don't have an access to my Porteus installation). Of course, you need to run it as root. The packake manager will download everything for you and convert from Slackware format to Porteus module. Then you need to double click on the module file (it will be located in /tmp/usm/ or /usr/tmp/usm/) to activate it. If you want it to be loaded automatically during next boot move it to /porteus/modules/ directory on your USB.
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No, what I mean is what you can see in the attachment. The problem is that this package doesn't come with other necessary tools which doesn't make sense, because everybody can download binaries from FreeBASIC website... Forget it - I decided to try it because no other Linux distro I've tried came with FreeBASIC in repos. I'm not a FreeBASIC user.
..back to Windows (real OS) and continue to learn GUI programming in C .. :)
The same old story. Grab an unpopular/obscure distro, fail to make it work, call Linux not a real OS.
Good luck with C, anyway. Post about the progress you're making, from time to time.
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Grab an unpopular/obscure distro, fail to make it work, call Linux not a real OS.
LOL, I know not of any MS Windows build or distro that I would ever need to make work. I've enjoyed them all OOTB without stirring a finger.
Go figure now why every Windozer tends to call Linux not a real OS, really. ;D
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I recently added a Chromebook to my collection of laptops. I'm quite impressed with it; and with Chrome OS....fast, easy to use and navigate...no unnecessary bloat...
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Linux is actually an interesting concept: You don't install an application as you would do in Windows. Instead, you download the source and compile it to install it. If the respective toolchain (C++?) for the 300+ Linux versions is compatible with all application sources, the concept could work just fine.
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yes LINUX is in general very crappy
including so called "mainstream distros"
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LOL, I know not of any MS Windows build or distro that I would ever need to make work. I've enjoyed them all OOTB without stirring a finger.
Sure. If Windows is not pre-installed, all you need to do is to say magic words ("Windows is a real OS" is the latest version?) and the system magically appears on your hardware within seconds. It's just a shame they haven't implemented the same method for updates. ;D
Linux is actually an interesting concept: You don't install an application as you would do in Windows. Instead, you download the source and compile it to install it. If the respective toolchain (C++?) for the 300+ Linux versions is compatible with all application sources, the concept could work just fine.
Another "expert". Compiling from source is one of many ways you can install software on Linux and it's neither the most popular or the easiest one. Google for Appimage, Snap, Flatpack, DEB etc. Neither of them requires compiling. Do you know how to install Firefox on any Linux using the same download? Just unpack downloaded archive, put Firefox folder wherever you want and... that's it.
EDIT Several years ago, I decided to do a fresh Windows 7 install on my laptop. Never again! Nothing worked out of the box. No wi-fi, no sound. Screen resolution was limited to 800x600 or less. I had to use another computer to get required files and informations from the web. Took me several hours to make the system just work. Average Linux install is 30 min. together with configuration and installing additional apps. But maybe I'm just extremely lucky. Maybe...
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Just an example. I wanted to try Newlisp on Porteus 32 bit. On Newlisp website the only download for Linux is a 64 bit Debian package. So, I need to compile Newlisp from source, right? Wrong. I downloaded 32 bit Debian package from the Debian packages website, unpacked it and moved included binary to my /bin/ folder. Works without problems. It's not a rocket science. It's not more complicated than downloading, let's say, FreeBASIC for Windows.
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I'm probably just thick but I never managed to install Mint on my older laptop :(
Tomaaz, would you consider doing a video to show dummies like me how it's done? I want to uninstall Windows 10 (too bloated for this laptop) and try out Mint.
Or if you know of a video that you could point me to?
Be warned though, it will have to be very simple and in layman's terms for my brain to be able to cope with it (and quick to accomplish with what little time I have).
Only if you have the time and the inclination though; don't worry if you don't :)
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This one looks OK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJSNkTCoV6Y.
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yes LINUX is in general very crappy
including so called "mainstream distros"
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No. 32 bit binary that is included in a debian package will works on virtually every 32 bit distro.
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32 bit binary that is included in a debian package will works on virtually every 32 bit distro.
well,,, that is good to know (Y).....(Y).....(Y)
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The problem with FreeBASIC is that it's not a standalone tool and this package doesn't provide additional tools (GCC, assembler etc.). There is no point to have a package like that, because you can download FreeBASIC from its website and run it with the same result. It will display all the options, help etc., but, without these additional tools, you won't be able to produce final executables. This package is useless.
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This one looks OK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJSNkTCoV6Y.
Thanks Tomaaz, I'll go over it during the weekend
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John on Allbasic about Windozers calling Linux not real OS.
While they post on their Android Linux or Apple Unix phones to a website running the same.
Knockout! 100% true. :) But of course, Aurel will not accept it, because for him the real computing is "writing" a GUI "app" that is basically a copy of a basic template from an IDE abandonned five years ago. ;D
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IDE abandonned five years ago
...and stupid Geany editor is brand new crap ;D
I see that "expert" topic on that "expert" forum
such a expertize ... :P
hey mrJ need windozer progie for sB
are you ready "expert" ;D
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hey mrJ need windozer progie for sB
are you ready "expert" ;D
I was born ready! Thanx for the offer, but no. ;D
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... I decided to do a fresh Windows 7 install on my laptop. Never again! Nothing worked out of the box.
That's because MS Windows has been designed by pros for pros to run on branded pro-grade HW and not on kitchen utensils and RP economy kits. ;D
Ever seen a "Designed for Windows 7" or "Windows 7 Ready" holo sticker glued onto the HW box? Road signs are meant to be followed.
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Yes, I've seen it. On that very laptop. It came with Win 7 pre-installed. Then it was dual-boot, then, for a long time, Linux only, then I decided to put Win 7 back on it, then my son had it and then, sadly, it passed away. :( So, are you saying that in a laptop without a sticker the installation would take several days and the screen resolution out of the box would be 640x480? And no mouse and keyboard? Great! ;D
Take it easy guys. He's just trolling. ;)
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It came with Win 7 pre-installed
...and all that time you don't know which drivers you need for that laptop?
ohh dude :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Drivers? What's that? Isn't Windows supposed to run out of the box? Oh, I forgot. Only Linux should work out of the box perfectly, scan your brain during installation and make your favorites applications ready to work. ;D ;D ;D
It's amazing how you lower your expectations when we're talking about Windows and make them very high in case of Linux.
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In fact
It's amazing
how you as so called computer user don't know what you have on your computer. ;D ;D ;D
You don't know which version of Win7 u use on that laptop. ;D ;D ;D
Probably you don't know how to use Device Manager to reinstall drivers ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
That explain a lot about you ;D ;D ;D
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... you ... make them very high in case of Linux.
No, we don't. Conversely, we lower our expectations in case of Linux because in most cases, a Linux distro is a bundle of ill fitting amateurish bits and pieces thrown together as a home exercise for the coming lab at a high school computer science class. ;D
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yes i agree with Mike :D
tomek please you need to do this to fix your laptop...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No, we don't.
I wasn't talking to you. You've admitted you're just trolling so, there is no point. :) And Aurel may continue. He will soon say that I also didn't know the model of my laptop or even the name of its manufacturer, while all I said was that nothing worked out of the box and making it work (which of course, was possible) took a lot of time, effort and another computer to help. But with Aurel's creativity and imagination, everything's possible. ;D
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Since when have you become a mod of the two sites? Can you show me proof I intended to troll you rather than John on AllBasic dot info?
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No, I can't. Can you show me the proof you didn't intend to troll me? I don't think so. So the only option left for me is to ignore you. You see - never admit that your plan is to troll, because neither the pople you intend to troll nor the people you don't intend to troll will be taking you seriously. Bye.
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Thanks Tomaaz, I'll go over it during the weekend
If you need help, just ask here. Also, remember that Mint is not the only distro around. If something goes wrong, you can always try one of Ubuntus, Solus and many more. :D
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But with Aurel's creativity and imagination, everything's possible
thanks Tomek...thanks ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
troll.....mod...troll...mod :o
hmm i see this two sites are in paralel universe...yes
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Anubis. Last release from... 2010 (9 years old!), kernel 2.6 (we're approaching 5), KDE 3.5. What is the chance that it supports modern hardware? That the new versions of popular software will be working under it? Which version of Wine is included? What about security? Aurel, have you lost your mind???
Also, you don't like "debianers", but both Anubis and Zorin are Debian-based. What the hell?
Why Mint? It's the safest bet. And no - it's not another name for Ubuntu. Also, there is a Mint version that is based directly on Debian and has nothing to do with Ubuntu. Ubuntu this or Ubuntu that are simply the same Ubuntu with different desktop environments (Gnome, Lxde/Lxqt, Mate, Budgie etc.). What's wrong with that? Porteus also comes with several desktop environments to choose from. You like KDE, you get KDE version. I like LXDE, I use LXDE version. What's the problem here???
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So, you have lost your mind. None of the links on Anubis website works (manual, full list of features, recent changes, guide). Could you name me several of the usuful apps (with info about version number)? There is no info if it's possible to create persistent storage or install the distro on the hard drive. And security? Sorry, I forgot that you are the author of "Https is another crap" theory. Why do I even reply to all this nonsense? Use whatever you want. Good luck.
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hmm i see this two sites are in paralel universe...
I'd call those two universes perpendicular. ;D
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Linux is nice. I had it installed on a previous computer. When that computer died, so did Linux.
What I need now, is a Linux simulator that runs on Windows10, and does not need disk partitions.
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What I need now, is a Linux simulator that runs on Windows10, and does not need disk partitions.
You need to run a virtual machine (VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/), for example) and install Linux there. You can also run Linux from USB key. What distro are you planning to use?
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What I want to do is to be able to test the Linux version of NaaLaa and sdlbasic.
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If you want to use virtual machine, go for Sparky stable 64 bit LXDE. SdlBasic is in repos and NaaLaa should work without problems. I run Sparky in VirtualBox and didn't have any problems, but it was several years ago.
Aurel, have a look at 4MLinux (http://4mlinux-releases.blogspot.com/2019/01/4mlinux-271-released.html?m=1).
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For Rick
why not try:
Q4OS
Lubuntu
LXLE
or maybe some fork of Arch - bunsenLabs -crunchbang++
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Aurel, please...
1. Sparky has nothing to do with Puppy.
2. bunsenLabs and crunchbang++ are not forks of Arch - they are Debian based.
3. LXLE is based on LTS Lubuntu.
Stop. This is just pathetic. BTW I have no idea who Pedro is.
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I think this (https://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Hannah-Montana-Linux-50229.shtml) is the best option for you. And if you don't like it, try that (https://linux.softpedia.com/get/Linux-Distributions/JustinBieberLinux-103373.shtml).
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Oh Tomek..tomek
I understand that you probably hate Hanna because you are G(Y)Y (backSideBoy) ;D
but i don't get it why you hate Justin (niceBisexual) boy ... ;D ;D ;D
Anubis is up(oIIo) and running....cool distro ;D
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This looks even better - http://www.ubuntuce.com/ ;D
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... because you are G(Y)Y
What is "G(Y)Y"? BTW Thanx again for reminding me about Porteus. It's a great little distro! I love it! :)
What I want to do is to be able to test the Linux version of NaaLaa and sdlbasic.
Have you tried anything?
Richey, did you manage to install Mint?
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To be or not to be :P
Yes i have tried many but unfortunatelly most of them sucks.
So i decide to try again 4MLinux 19.0 after i read review (somewhere).
Ok i create usb with this distro an boot...
after a minute system is up... :o
yes it work ....responding very well ..
most apps work fine ..
wifi ...hmm...after some mumbo-jumbo with usual network manager it work
but unfortunatelly there is no internet access ..why ?
guy from review say same thing happend to him
all wifi networks are here and i am connected but without internet.
Bad thing is because deault web browser is stupid linx
For such small distro ..is good it is full of usual apps including some funny games
and ..in general it is not bad. :D
...time for back to Windows until i found something interesting...
ps ..on archiveOS site i found many distros from Polska..nice ;)
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ps ..on archiveOS site i found many distros from Polska..nice ;)
It looks like this site is being maintained by people from Polska*. If I'm not wrong, the same people are responsible for Sparky Linux - a great distro from Polska. :)
* Poland
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Ok we say..Poljska...and english version Pol-land is wrong because po-land is nothing
it should be field-land... 8)
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I am wondering why there is no more such a smaller and fine NEWER distros and not
big mastodonts over 2GB ....this iso is under 500MB
so we can boot it from USB 1GB without problem
Maybe because 8+GB pendrives are today's standard? The smallest one I have is 4GB and it's probably 10 years old. Could you attache a photo of that pendrive? I haven't seen one for ages. If you're still using an analogue camera and need to buy and develop film then don't bother. ;D Also, there are newer distros that run from 1GB pendrive - all Pupys, Slax, Porteus, Antix, Sparky, Bodhi...
back to Windows ...................................... :D
Which is... 3-4 GB (ISO file). ;D
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What you moron-way you know...win7 is on standard CD 700MB
It is also ten years old. Weren't we talking about "newer" operating systems? What next? Are you gonna compare "newer" Linux distros to Win 95?
1GB usb is good even is really old and i don't want use 16GB which i use for other purposes
not for playing with toy-operating systems... ;D
Wow! You have two USB sticks. And the bigger one is (I can't believe it!)... 16 GB. OMG! ;D
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.so what is the point of your babeling? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No i have 32gb too ...so what is the point of your babeling?
You've got three of them!? ;D
On the other side win95 is better than any of this ancient unixoids...
They are equally useless today and we both know it. ;)
sorry ..that is a TRUE STORY and not your lame shiting of updated hardware or usual moaning
or crapping only about things you "think" that work.
Excuse me, but the only one moaning and shiting on something (Linux) is you. I didn't have any problems with making Linux run on my computer. You did. It wasn't me who started this topic. You did. Was it a genuine attempt to try installing Linux or another example of your trolling, doesn't really matter, because it always ends the same way.
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doesn't really matter, because it always ends the same way.
really ...
and what are your topics ..than ordinary trash from
selfpromoted "expert" .
Your every topic is so "smart" that you may clean your ass with such a unique aproach.
And if this topic is irrelevant for you ...why you reply?
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Main goal of this topic is to help any windows user what can expect if he/she decide to try
freakin linux/unixoid operating system.
Ordinary lie and ugly and unfriendly -in any way- is statement that Linux is OS which is easy to use
and that work lke a charm and that work on any computer without problem..
For the sake ...same distro boot from qemu but refuse to boot from usb...and that is nothing?
that is just tiny example what ordinary user may expect from Linux.
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For the sake ...same distro boot from qemu but refuse to boot from usb...and that is nothing?
No, that isn't nothing. That is something... related to UEFI/Legacy mode, distros being old or to different ways of preparing USB keys. And no - a sane ordinary user will not have this problem, because he/she will go for a popular mainstream distro, instead of digging for something obscure and/or abandoned at least 5 years ago (like you do). You may tell me to "clean my ass" or "stick my dick in energy drink", you may call me "a moron", but it won't change the fact that I have no problems with preparing my computer and running Linux on it and you do. It just shows your frustration caused by unability to solve a problem. Nothing more.
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-I have no problems with preparing my computer and running Linux on it and you do.
THIS is just a ordinary LIE and proof that you promote linux even 50% of distros not work
or not work properly.
-It just shows your frustration caused by unability to solve a problem. Nothing more.
What kind of problem?
I don't have problem , if something not work or not work properly
then people must know about that !
and not to spreading lies how everything is "shiny & beautiful " if you use mainstrem distros. ::)
I really cannot believe how someone like you (who have such a high opinion about yourself)
is such a naive person.....ha ha..ha...
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THIS is just a ordinary LIE and proof that you promote linux even 50% of distros not work
or not work properly.
What is a lie? Of course that even 90% of distros won't work without problems. All the abandoned ones. Majority of unpopular ones and probably all dedicated to advanced usrers. But remaining 10% (all mainstream ones) will work without (or with easy to solve) problems. That's why I repeatedly advised you to stop wasting your time for the 90% and focus on the 10%. Even if 50% of this 10% work properly then everyone can find something for them, right? Are you saying that, because one distro doesn't work, people shouldn't use the other one that works fine? WTF?
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You still don't get it. Majority of Linux distros are, for different reasons, garbage. But if we have five good ones then why would anyone care about those hundreads abandoned and/or crappy ones? To be honest you're the only person I know who does. Everyone else just use what's good and don't give a shit about the rest of them. Do you have some strange "abandoned/obscure Linux distros" OCD?
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Mint Xfce seems to be a very nice distro. Lightweight, looks and works great.
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The problem I always have with Mint is that it works fine just after installation, but after some time it visibly slows down. Bunsenlabs rules.
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well bunsenLabs is not bad
i found Bugtraq-Optimus
you should try this one tomaaz
http://bugtraq-team.com/project-optimus.html
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So Tomek did you oblige BugTraq ?