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Offtopic => Offtopic => Topic started by: kevin on October 18, 2013, 10:09:12 AM
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Hi - saw a recommendation for an app called Ninite in a magazine in the UK - it lets you select programs from a (limited) list, and will then download and install all of them with no further user intervention - this is really useful for me, as I need to re-install Windows quite frequently and it's so useful to be able to let the app run and forget about it. None of the unwanted tool bars that seem to come with most apps nowadays are installed.
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That's whay Linux has got package managers! ;) When SteamOS is out no one needs Windows anymore. 8)
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When SteamOS is out no one needs Windows anymore.
haha...
really?
by the way nobody hold you to remove windows once for all from your computers.
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When SteamOS is out no one needs Windows anymore.
haha...
really?
by the way nobody hold you to remove windows once for all from your computers.
That's exactly what I will do if I don't need Windows anymore. At the moment I still need it for gaming but this might change with SteamOS. (Maybe the Steam client on Ubuntu will be sufficient for that - but since I've got a Radeon I am curious about Mantle).
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Aurel, why can't you accept the fact that the world is changing? Today, huge number of people surf the web, communicate, chat, play games, listen to music and watch videos without using Windows. In my household it's only me who still needs Windows and care about it. My wife only needs internet access and she doesn’t care what OS she's using. My son has his own laptop with Linux Mint on it and he doesn't complain about it. Well, sometimes he says he'd prefer iPad. :) That's funny. We don't have iPad, but he knows what it is. We don't have any other tablet, but he knows what tablet is. What we have are two copies of Windows, but if you ask him about Windows he will probably take you to his room and show you... a window. ;D
Of course, Windows is not gonna disappear overnight (hopefully, it will never disappear, because choice is a very good thing to have), but that's the fact that nowadays many people simply don't need it anymore and can happily live without it.
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Aurel, why can't you accept the fact that the world is changing?
is this a joke ;D
Today, huge number of people surf the web, communicate, chat, play games, listen to music and watch videos without using Windows
where ..in Poland maybe
in Croatia not.
my point is that virtual OS and his graphic capability (for games) never will
replace real hardware accelerated graphic...that is my point not
that i can't accept that world is changing... :P
and this thing do not have nothing with windows,right?
but whan you ask...nobody here (in area where i live)who have PC don't use linux...
i can bet in this.
you may believe or not , most people here use PC for games and there is no better
platform for games than windows.
Of course young people use smartphones with android but at home everyone use windows.
Unfortunately i whish that things are different and the linux have much more folowers.
For example my son have in school just windows and learn informatic only on windows...
even he like from time to time to use linux on one our computer and surf trough net...
that's all folks.. ;)
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I don't know anyone who play games on PC. People either use smart-phones and tablets or consoles. If you think I was trying to tell you that people play games on Linux desktops, you misunderstood me. Seriously, personally I don't know a single person who uses laptop or desktop (with Linux, Windows or any other OS) for games. But I believe you that in the area you live in, it's like that (probably for economical reasons). But you mustn't think that the whole world looks the same.
Windows is still much better than Linux for music creation or image processing, but professionals mostly use Macs already or think about moving to Mac. I really do hope that Windows will last and become even better OS, but sorry - your vision reminds me about the world in late 90s and early 00s.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there still is a huge number of people using PCs for games (even if I personally don't know a single one), but gamers can live happily without Windows today.
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(probably for economical reasons)...
this must be joke to...because of economical reasons people use comercial os and
play games...give me a break
I am not sure where i read but thing is that PC(read Window desktop) is still dominant platform for games.
You cannot compare those tiny games for android and PC Windows games.
MS have very big influence in Croatia and that is true.
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this must be joke to...because of economical reasons people use comercial os and
play games...give me a break
For economical reasons people use the same equipment (PC) for everything (games, web browsing, music, videos, word processing etc.) instead of using different things for different tasks.
I am not sure where i read but thing is that PC(read Window desktop) is still dominant platform for games.
You didn't understand me. I'm not saying that PC gaming is dead. I'm just saying that there are many alternatives to it and you really don't need Windows to have fun with good games.
You cannot compare those tiny games for android and PC Windows games.
Of course, you can. And why do you keep ignoring consoles?
MS have very big influence in Croatia and that is true.
I believe you, but Croatia's population is smaller than that of London, so... You know, Opera was very popular in Russia and it doesn't exists at the moment (the new version is extremely poor and has nothing to do with the old browser).
All I'm trying to say is that everything changes. Look at Nokia and BlackBerry. What was their position ten years ago and where are they now. Of course you can't compare Microsoft to them, but the times when to do anything useful with computer you had to have Windows on it are over.
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as I need to re-install Windows quite frequently
what... :o
and why you need to re-install Windows? ???
I never have such a problems. ;D
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I saw the debate and wanted to throw my two cents.
It is a fact that most people don`t play on computers, but that is because casual gaming made the activity more viable. For casual games, you don`t need a rig, thus a tablet or a smartphone suffices, and makes gaming more accessible. Consoles shouldn`t be mentioned, because although people use them, they are pretty much in their own turf.(Wii is an exception)
Macs are mostly bought from people who give an emphasis on design and art, not performance. From the business side, it is easier and cheaper to use Windows. That also counts for technical support and installation. People who incorporate Macs were already Mac users, and their type of work is not heavy duty.
Despite the reason that Linux is free, it doesn`t have a big chunk of the market because of two reasons in my opinion: lack of compatibility and usability. In Windows, you can pretty much plug in anything, and it will either work immediately, or there will surely be drivers available. On Linux too, but exceptionally. Most of the time you may have problems installing printers, modems, or other hardware, and then need to scour the net for obscure drivers or solutions. In Windows, I execute the .exe or decompress and then run the .exe, it works. In Linux, there is the package manager, but when you try to install something manually, it is a hassle and requires typing commands in a shell, something I doubt home users have done and will ever want to do.
Most users can surely do almost anything they want on each one of the 3 platforms. The thing is, sometimes they are done differently by every platform, and users hate to learn. That is why I think Windows will keep strong. It could be toppled if Linux made some steps towards home users. Smartphones are mainly used for communication, and doing casual things like listening to music, when there isn`t a computer nearby.
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Consoles shouldn`t be mentioned, because although people use them, they are pretty much in their own turf.(Wii is an exception)
They should, because they "steal" users from PCs. I know people who for sure would use PCs for games if didn't have consoles.
Linux vs Windows... I have to disagree with you.
1. Fragmentation is not that big problem anymore. The most popular distros (Ubuntu and Mint) and many others based on them work basically the same way.
2. Installing programs manually is not a problem, because all popular applications (and many many more) are in repositories. You can also download ready to install packages from the web.
3. Problems with hardware might happen, but on the other hand sometimes things just work better under Linux. Generally Linux works much faster with all my USB devices (mp3 player, ebook reader etc.) and gives me less restricted access to them.
Linux is not popular because:
1. People don't like changes.
2. Windows comes already installed (do you really believe that ordinary users wouldn't have problems with installing it from scratch?).
3. Many Linux developers ignore users and open source philosophy is not for everyone (you never know what's gonna happen to the software), so...
4... many people feel safer if they paid for the product or if the product comes from a big company (Android, for example).
As you can see, these reasons have nothing to do with technology. They are more about business and the way Linux is distributed and maintained.
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They should, because they "steal" users from PCs. I know people who for sure would use PCs for games if didn't have consoles.
I am not sure if we could consider console players stolen, if they think of the PC only as a tool. I am talking of the users who would never consider a PC something beyond that, though I guess you mean the users who jumped ship. Well, a console gives the virtual promise of stability. You don`t need to upgrade all the time to play the newest game. Now I say virtual, because of the life cycle of a console, which forces you to jump wagon if you want to stay on the train.
1. Fragmentation is not that big problem anymore. The most popular distros (Ubuntu and Mint) and many others based on them work basically the same way.
2. Installing programs manually is not a problem, because all popular applications (and many many more) are in repositories. You can also download ready to install packages from the web.
I will agree, it isn`t as big as it was on the start. But still, there are many famous distros, and if the application you want is not available, you must build from source, and that is a hassle.
I`ve already mentioned the package manager, but I refered to the multitude of programs that you find on the net, like the small humble game you found the other day, or a timetable program you want to try out. These are not in packages, and require for you to do the job of finding the dependencies. Although they come with instructions, they are different for each program.
3. Problems with hardware might happen, but on the other hand sometimes things just work better under Linux. Generally Linux works much faster with all my USB devices (mp3 player, ebook reader etc.) and gives me less restricted access to them.
That may be true, but it is not the norm. A home user wants functionality at the first point. Features and speed come next.
1. People don't like changes.
People don`t like learning. Linux requires you to do that to resolve a problem. Power users like that, but home users find it annoying.
2. Windows comes already installed (do you really believe that ordinary users wouldn't have problems with installing it from scratch?).
I used to install Linux distros just to try them out. I could confidently say that some installation wizards can be as complex as Windows. Plus, there have also been PCs that were distributed with Linux preinstalled, like the Asus Eee Pc.
3. Many Linux developers ignore users and open source philosophy is not for everyone (you never know what's gonna happen to the software), so...
These are true, though I wouldn`t say it is not for everyone, I would say that not everyone cares about it. They just want to achieve something, regardless of how it was developed.
Also, you don`t know what is going to happen to a commercial software, either.
4... many people feel safer if they paid for the product or if the product comes from a big company (Android, for example).
Safer is not the right word. Assured would be more appropriate. All people have the notion that something which has a price is of better quality than something free.
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Before my computer fails, I was frightened of Linux for all the (wrong) reasons Asterios gave us above. But as I could not pay for a new 'Windows', I decided to Install 'Linux' (Ubuntu) on my computer, that I repaired by myself with what comes to hand (particularly a secondhand hard disk).
What I can conclude now :
- Linux is not more difficult to install than Windows, it's even easier and faster
- Linux is installed with a lot of usefull softwares (much more than in Windows)
- Linux rarely (or even never) crashes, unlike Windows
- Linux is less slow than Windows
- I can do with Linux exactly what I did with Windows (graphics, music, etc.) and sometimes more
- I don't need to defragment my hd, I don't need anti-virus (even if it's really recommended)
- I can run Windows-programs in Linux, if I want (but I don't need either)
- I can test easily various Linux implementations (with Live-CD or Live-DVD or Live-USB) in order to find which one suits to me
- All that as easy as with Windows
For no earthly reason, I'll go back to Windows. Moreover, if I need to change my computer, I'll buy one whithout presinstalled Windows (but itis not so easy to find such one in my country)...
That's all, just to finish with somes prejudices about non-Windows system 8)
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Before my computer fails, I was frightened of Linux for all the (wrong) reasons Asterios gave us above. But as I could not pay for a new 'Windows', I decided to Install 'Linux' (Ubuntu) on my computer, that I repaired by myself with what comes to hand (particularly a secondhand hard disk).
What I can conclude now :
- Linux is not more difficult to install than Windows, it's even easier and faster
- Linux is installed with a lot of usefull softwares (much more than in Windows)
- Linux rarely (or even never) crashes, unlike Windows
- Linux is less slow than Windows
- I can do with Linux exactly what I did with Windows (graphics, music, etc.) and sometimes more
- I don't need to defragment my hd, I don't need anti-virus (even if it's really recommended)
- I can run Windows-programs in Linux, if I want (but I don't need either)
- I can test easily various Linux implementations (with Live-CD or Live-DVD or Live-USB) in order to find which one suits to me
- All that as easy as with Windows
For no earthly reason, I'll go back to Windows. Moreover, if I need to change my computer, I'll buy one whithout presinstalled Windows (but itis not so easy to find such one in my country)...
That's all, just to finish with somes prejudices about non-Windows system 8)
That's a really good list. I made the same experience. Thank god it's easier in Germany to buy a computer without Windows pre-installed (and therefore one can safe about 80-100 €).
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Linux is not more difficult to install than Windows, it's even easier and faster
ha ha in which universe 8)
first of all, you must know how much space your linux distro need,then
you must create partitions: root/user/swap..
you must know what program use for that - GParted is my favorite
etc...etc...etc...
Linux is installed with a lot of usefull softwares (much more than in Windows)
yeah that is true...but in which distro :o
ugly thing is that you have in many distros programs with same function...
And yes you cannot compare huge windows (freeware base) programs with such a small
amount of good programs for linux.
Linux rarely (or even never) crashes, unlike Windows
yea maybe if you use only one program at time...
or if you use linux system as server without Xwindow layer
- Linux is less slow than Windows
this statment sounds like science fiction
I can do with Linux exactly what I did with Windows (graphics, music, etc.) and sometimes more
No you can't ...you cannot play fast DX games.. ;D
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first of all, you must know how much space your linux distro need,then
you must create partitions: root/user/swap..
you must know what program use for that - GParted is my favorite
etc...etc...etc...
Aurel, please try to install a modern distro based on Ubuntu. Installation manager will do everything for you. You just need to choose what type of installation you want (wipe the disk and install the system, create another partition and install the system on it or use chosen existing partitions). Everything will require a few clicks and will be done automatically (including configuration of boot manager). Your problem is that, for some extremely strange reasons, you keep trying obsolete or not mainstream distros not intended to be used by ordinary users in every day computing.
Recently, I moved from Mint to LXLE (newer Mints don't come with LXDE any more) and it was a pleasure. Took me about a half an hour to have exactly the same system, with the same programs installed (all of them configured), the same folders, desktop and wallpaper. I'll give you two examples. This single line
sudo apt-get install chromium-browser geany gimp pinta deadbeef wine audacity openshot tuxguitar easymp3gain installed all programs I needed with all dependencies and in newest versions (Firefox, LibreOffice, Thunderbird and many more were already installed).
These two
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
update your system and all installed programs.
Seriously, how anyone can still say that Linux is difficult to install? ???
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Seriously, how anyone can still say that Linux is difficult to install? ???
Only people who didn't try ...
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wipe the disk and install the system, create another partition and install the system on it or use chosen existing partitions)
do you really think that most people know how to create partition,set flags etc...
things got worst when people try dual-boot windows/linux
And why most people think that linux is defacto-> ubuntu/ubuntu based ...it is not.
For example your(unfortunatelly - not only yours) beloved Mint don't know how to set
properly screen resolution BUT hey look small & stupid Slitaz know ...well is this some
kind of magic,Slax know to without any problems etc...etc...
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do you really think that most people know how to create partition,set flags etc...
things got worst when people try dual-boot windows/linux
How many more times do I need to repeat that all these things will be done automatically by the installation manager? All you need to do is set the size of a new partition if you choose the second option. Did you understand what I said? There are three option to choose from:
1. Use the entire disk (it will wipe existing operating system(s)).
2. Create a new partition and make your machine dual-boot (all you need to set is a size of the new partition and the rest will be done for you by installation manager).
3. Chose existing partitions without doing anything to the rest of the disk. This option also make your machine dual-boot and this is the option I used last time.
Linux is not Ubuntu based, but Ubuntu based distros are the easiest to install and use. Yeah, Mint is my "beloved" distro, because I just told you I moved to LXLE... Great logic. :) Of course that problem may happen. I don't know how old is your machine, but are you sure that you would install Windows 8 (or 7 - you still use XP, righ?) on it without problems? Mint doesn't work (I hope it's not Mint 7 you were talking about some time ago...) on your machine. It happens. Bad for you. But don't say that because it doesn't work on your machine it won't work on someone else's.
EDIT: In the meantime I compiled QB64. Yes, it was "extremely painful" process, took me "ages" to complete and, of course, "nothing" works. ;)
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I only had problems with screen resolution about 10 years ago when I still used CRTs. No problems with LCDs/LEDs.
I am using Kubuntu by the way because I like the full featured KDE desktop. No funny metro tiles. But I think that won't count because some are still using Windows XP although even MICROSOFT (our beloved godfather software company) is discouraging from XP. Oh, no, support will end in April 2014.
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I only had problems with screen resolution about 10 years ago when I still used CRTs.
It happened to me once - when I tried to run old versions of Slax and Puppy on a relatively new laptop. All distros I tried recently (and believe me, I tried a lot) didn't have any problems with that.
... because some are still using Windows XP although even MICROSOFT (our beloved godfather software company) is discouraging from XP.
Yeah, because "XP is the best, cause it is the best and it works so why change anything bla bla bla". ;) And of course: "XP is still being used in business world". Like you could compare businesses and private users. ;D
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And besides: playing fast DirectX games on XP is rather ridiculous since XP doesn't even support DirectX 11. ::) (Believe me or not, I had to look up the word "ridiculous" in the dictionary to see how it's spelled).
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and believe me, I tried a lot
so when you tried a lot...tell me which one (no Mint..) is very good for you...
arch
crunch
lubuntu
startOs ..maybe... ;D ;D ;D
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so when you tried a lot...tell me which one (no Mint..) is very good for you...
I can't, because it really seems that we live in two parallel univereses. In mine it is 2013 already, in yours - still 2003. So, all the distros I like simply don't exists in your world...
Aurel, you really need to find this guy (he may be a bit younger in your universe):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Doc_Brown.JPG)
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I am really sorry Tomaz because it looks to me that you don't know how to install any
other distro which is not ubuntu based :-X
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Anyway, it's all too complicated.
This will be my next used operating system:
(http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/nickma/MaximiteProjects/fileman/filemanc.png)
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I am really sorry Tomaz because it looks to me that you don't know how to install any
other distro which is not ubuntu based :-X
Well, I have to admit that most of them I tried in live version (I have subscription for Linux magazine that comes monthly with several new distros on DVD), but I guess that to install them you need to click that icon with install on it (mostly it is located in the left top corner). ;D And yes, I only install distros based on Ubuntu that come in 64bit versions with LXDE. The last not Ubuntu based distro I tried was Slitaz, but it didn't even boot ("kernel panic"). And before that was Fedora 17 LXDE. Installation process looked exactly the same like in Mint or LXLE and my desktop looked exactly the same, but Fedora doesn't have a good opinion if we are talking about stability. Also - internet connection was slower. And it didn't play some audio and video files out of the box.
I also have an USB with Linux on it. At the moment it's Puppy. It's OK, but I'm looking forward to replace it with Slax7. Unfortunately, at the moment there is almost no software for new Slax (but I was able to use BaCon on it, for example). And there was a problem with Wi-Fi connection. I had to connect manually every single time I run the system. But it looks very promising.*
I'm not planning to try Arch, because it's not system for me. Arch is great, but I'm not a Linux geek, who wants to spend days on tweaking system and making it work. I just want to have system that is stable, functional and easy to use. That's why I always recommend distros based on Ubuntu. You could use them to. You just need to find Dr. Brown. He will help you go back to 2013. ;D
*I hope you don't want me to show screenshots to prove my words. ;D
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Anyway, it's all too complicated.
This will be my next used operating system:
(http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/nickma/MaximiteProjects/fileman/filemanc.png)
:o Are you going back to XP? ;D
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XP is too modern. It's the colour maximite. But this could be an alternative: http://www.freedos.org/ with OpenGEM.
(http://www.freedos.org/images/screenshots/thumbs/7.png)
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What about this?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/GeOS_Commodore_64.gif)
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yes Tomaaz...you often like to find errors,bugs ...problematic parts...etc...etc...
BUT when you must something to do you quickly give up.
No i don't need your dr.Brown.... :P
Oh i see superTomaaz don't know how to tweak system and often create kernel panic... ;D
such a big Linux user ...well done boy..well done... 8)
End of story....kernel panic...ha ha ha....
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yes Tomaaz...you often like to find errors,bugs ...problematic parts...etc...etc...
BUT when you must something to do you quickly give up.
No i don't need your dr.Brown.... :P
Oh i see superTomaaz don't know how to tweak system and often create kernel panic... ;D
such a big Linux user ...well done boy..well done... 8)
End of story....kernel panic...ha ha ha....
After reading something like this I can only say that:
- you were drunk
or/and
- you didn't read/understand what I wrote
or/and
- you used some kind of random replies generator
I just hope that you know what "end of story" means and will keep your promise.
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Yep, it's end of story or better said: end of topic.